View Poll Results: How do you feel about BMW anti-tuning measures?
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They have to protect themselves (and their profits).
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They should give their most loyal customers the option of unlocked ECU's with warranty restrictions.
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My next car will NOT be a BMW if they keep this up.
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09-24-2010, 01:23 AM #51
This is the key point I think. They want to sell it, and don't care afterwards. That does not promote customer loyalty. That may be why BMW is trying new financing programs to get greater loyalty as people seem to not be buying repeat BMW's.
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09-24-2010, 02:19 PM #52Guest Vendor
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LOL, buy one from them and see.
There are canbus tuners (MTM, APR, etc) but they aren't making any power and that's not real tuning.
Besides the 3.0 B8s make 400-415HP stock, they are horribly underrated from the factory.
Trust me it hasn't been hacked and the gen II and III SE processors are even worse.
I've been hearing the same lines regarding (the people that make them at night come home and reverse engineer them), in this case and in the future, no they don't. It's not like it used to be. Leaking out encryption keys is step 1 of 100.
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09-24-2010, 02:21 PM #53Guest Vendor
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09-24-2010, 02:23 PM #54Guest Vendor
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10 second phone call confirms, they are simply piggybacking it, that's not tuning nor will it produce nearly the same results as a legit remap.
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09-24-2010, 02:52 PM #55CDT Technology
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Andy, do the dealers/manufacturers need a way to tune/retune these new encrypted cpu lockout processors? What techniques and or software do they use to keep the tunes optimal for stock applications? The theory is if one can tune the processor their has to be a way to retune it.
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09-24-2010, 03:13 PM #56Guest Vendor
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The amount of people with access to the necessary software to read out and change a file is highly limited. It's an all around crack down, OEMs realize that the only way for the last gen of processors (ala N54 for example) were able to be remapped was due to a subsidiary leaking out the info.
The factory can do whatever it wants, but the key to remember is, even with the encryption keys, we're still not even close--and there are no keys yet.
Bosch has lost a lot of business due to their inability thier info proprietary which is why so many OEMs are switching to Siemens/Continental.
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09-24-2010, 05:10 PM #57
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09-24-2010, 05:51 PM #58Guest Vendor
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09-24-2010, 06:28 PM #59Member
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What is wrong with just piggybacking new BMW DME's? Doesn't HPF use the AEM system in a piggyback style?? HPF cars don't seem to have any problems making power.
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09-24-2010, 06:31 PM #60
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09-24-2010, 11:47 PM #61Member
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09-25-2010, 01:51 AM #63Guest Vendor
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Your statement is VERY inaccurate. APR has hacked the B8 S4 Ecu. Infact I am the first one to have it in DSG format. No piggybacks, strait flash. Saw it with my own eyes in Alabama when I went down to their facility. Also should mention that they are doing all flashes in house on the bench (with, or without the car) and therefore aren't hiding some piggyback in the car.
Yes they are under rated but not by as much as you imply. They make 320's at all four stock and 360-370's with a tune. But the power curve above 5K is where the power really is. Just look for yourself on goapr.com
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Why not just a compelet OE replacement with the ability to be tuned? Why reflash the stock when you could just replace the whole unit. I mean it will be a huge PITA to make one. And it will have to controll everything else in addition to the motor but none the less if your getting no where with the stock ECU why spend the time and money to hack something when you could just build a new one.
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10-31-2010, 06:29 PM #70
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