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07-21-2015, 07:10 PM #1
MotorTrend compares the 2016 Mercedes-AMG GT S, Nissan GT-R 45th anniversary edition, and Porsche 911 Turbo S with roadcourse times
The comparison everyone has been waiting to see with laptimes included. Car and Driver compared the AMG GT S to the Porsche 911 GTS and Jaguar F-Type R but what everyone really wants to see is the AMG GT S squaring off against the 911 Turbo and Nissan GTR.
Well, here you have it. MotorTrend chose the 911 Turbo S which is the most powerful 911 model available for sale. The 2016 Nissan GTR 45th anniversary edition is likewise the top of the line GTR on the market.
As far as power is concerned the AMG GT S trails the other two at least on paper. It is rated at 503 horsepower and 479 lb-ft of torque although dyno results show it is slightly underrated. The Nissan GTR offers more crank horsepower at 545 but less peak torque with 463 lb-ft. The 911 Turbo S is rated the highest with 560 horsepower and 516 lb-ft of torque.
It is important to understand that the AMG GT S sends power to the rear wheels while the GTR and Turbo S send power to all four wheels. This means higher drivetrain losses for the all wheel drive cars. As they all use dual clutch transmissions they are efficient for their power levels but the AMG GT S gets an efficiency bump from only powering the rear tires.
The GTR is the heaviest of the trio at 3911 and offers the most weight on the nose with a 55% to 45% front to rear balance. The AMG GT S weighs less at 3691 pounds but it is no lightweight. It does have exceptional balance with 47/53% front to rear. The rear engine 911 Turbo S of course has most of its weight on the rear with 61% of its 3563 pounds in back and 39% up front.
The quickest and fastest car acceleration wise is the 911 Turbo S. The 11.0 elapsed time in the 1/4 mile is impressive but the 124.6 miles per hour trap speed belies its 6.9 second 0-100 sprint. The AMG GT S manages a similar trap speed at 124.2 miles per hour but its 0-100 time takes 7.6 seconds. This sure looks like Porsche 911 Turbo heat soak rearing its ugly head and the ECU pulling timing as well as boost yet again.
The Nissan GTR gets the second quickest 1/4 mile time at 11.2 seconds but the slowest trap speed of 122.0. It looks like at speed where the all wheel drive is not providing a traction advantage of the line the AMG GT S should be faster.
The truth is all of the trap speeds are rather slow for these cars and it looks like that is due to California heat. Speaking as someone in California who just recently had their air conditioning system give out, it's hot. That will impact times but also provide realistic numbers one can hope to reproduce themselves.
We know all three cars are fast and powerful. What about how they go around the track? What is interesting to note is the AMG GT S pulls the most on the skidpad at 1.09g followed by the 911 Turbo S at 1.07g and the Nissan GTR at 1.00g.
The figure eight test has the 911 Turbo S come out on top at 22.9 seconds at .95g followed by the AMG GT S with 23.2 seconds at .95g and the Nissan GTR again taking the last spot with 23.5 seconds at .90g.
On the actual roadcourse the AMG GT S leads the entire way at Big Willow until the final turn. What happens on the final turn? The Porsche 911 Turbo S is able to put its power down quicker and use its acceleration to come out on top. The Porsche wins based on muscle, not finesse.
Speaking of which the Nissan GTR's heavier chassis and weight on the nose is finally starting to show signs of age as it should. Putting down torque early thanks to all wheel drive to mask these deficiencies can not defy the laws of physics. The GTR trails the other two cars by over two seconds. A lifetime on the roadcourse.
On a longer 2.42 mile course like Big Willow the AMG GT S is able to truly excel showing off its grip and ability to transition. This is much more telling than the comparison the Brits at EVO did between the AMG GT S and the 991 Turbo where the Turbo dominated the AMG on a tiny and tight course simply due to putting its power down earlier.
The car MotorTrend ultimately picks is the AMG GT S. Why? Because it is the best blend of performance and passion. It is the car you want to drive. People joke the GTR is a Japanese robot without emotion and that actually hits home here. The 911 Turbo S is slowly becoming a German robot as well and MotorTrend states it is simply all about business.
The AMG GT S is the car you pick when you want to do the driving and connect with the car. It is the driving enthusiast's choice and a hell of an achievement.
2016 Mercedes-AMG GT S 2016 Nissan GT-R 45th Anniversary 2015 Porsche 911 Turbo S POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS DRIVETRAIN LAYOUT Front-engine, RWD Front-engine, AWD Rear-engine, AWD ENGINE TYPE Twin-turbo 90-deg V-8, alum block/heads Twin-turbo 60-deg V-6, alum block/heads Twin-turbo, flat-6, alum block/heads VALVETRAIN DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DOHC, 4 valves/cyl DISPLACEMENT 243.0 cu in/3,982 cc 231.8 cu in/3,799 cc 231.9 cu in/3,800 cc COMPRESSION RATIO 10.5:1 9.0:1 9.8:1 POWER (SAE NET) 503 hp @ 6,250 rpm 545 hp @ 6,400 rpm 560 hp @ 6,500 rpm TORQUE (SAE NET) 479 lb-ft @ 1,750 rpm 463 lb-ft @ 3,200 rpm 516 lb-ft @ 2,100 rpm REDLINE 7,000 rpm 7,000 rpm 7,200 rpm WEIGHT TO POWER 7.3 lb/hp 7.2 lb/hp 6.4 lb/hp TRANSMISSION 7-speed twin-clutch auto. 6-speed twin-clutch auto. 7-speed twin-clutch auto. AXLE/FINAL-DRIVE RATIO 3.67:1/2.31:1 3.70:1/2.95:1 3.44:1/2.13:1 SUSPENSION, FRONT; REAR Control arms, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar; control arms, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar Control arms, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, adj shocks, anti-roll bar Struts, coil springs, adj shocks, adj anti-roll bar; multi-link, coil springs, adj shocks adj anti-roll bar STEERING RATIO 14.3:1 15.0:1 15.0:1 TURNS LOCK-TO-LOCK 2.3 2.5 2.6 BRAKES, F;R 15.8-in vented, drilled carbon ceramic disc; 14.2-in vented, drilled carbon ceramic disc, ABS 15.4-in vented, drilled disc; 15.0-in vented, drilled disc, ABS 16.1-in vented, drilled carbon ceramic disc; 15.4-in vented, drilled carbon ceramic disc, ABS WHEELS, F;R 9.0 x 19-in; 11.0 x 20-in, forged aluminum 9.5 x 20 in; 10.5 x 20 in, forged aluminum 9.0 x 20-in, 11.5 x 20-in forged aluminum TIRES, F;R 265/35ZR19 98Y; 295/30ZR20 101Y Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 255/40ZRF20 97Y; 285/35ZRF20 100Y Dunlop SP Sport Maxx GT 600 245/35ZR20 91Y; 305/30ZR20 103 Dunlop Sport Maxx Race DIMENSIONS WHEELBASE 103.5 in 109.4 in 96.5 in TRACK, F/R 66.1/65.0 in 62.6/63.0 in 60.6/62.6 in LENGTH x WIDTH x HEIGHT 179.0 x 76.3 x 50.7 in 183.8 x 74.6 x 53.9 in 177.4 x 74.0 x 51.0 in TURNING CIRCLE 37.7 ft 36.6 ft 34.8 ft CURB WEIGHT 3,691 lb 3,911 lb 3,563 lb WEIGHT DIST., F/R 47/53 % 55/45 % 39/61 % SEATING CAPACITY 2 4 4 HEADROOM, F/R 39.5/- in 38.1 in 37.8/26.0 in LEGROOM, F/R 43.5/- in 44.6 in 66.7/26.0 in (est) SHOULDER ROOM, F/R 58.3/- in 54.3 in 53.4/47.3 in CARGO VOLUME 12.4 cu ft 8.8 cu ft 4.1 cu ft TEST DATA ACCELERATION TO MPH 0-30 1.6 sec 1.1 sec 1.0 sec 0-40 2.2 1.6 1.5 0-50 2.8 2.1 2.0 0-60 3.5 2.9 2.7 0-70 4.3 3.7 3.4 0-80 5.3 4.8 4.5 0-90 6.3 6.0 5.6 0-100 7.6 7.3 6.9 PASSING, 45-65 MPH 1.4 1.5 1.3 QUARTER MILE 11.6 sec @ 124.2 mph 11.2 sec @ 122.0 mph 11.0 sec @ 124.6 mph BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 100 ft 103 ft 98 ft LATERAL ACCELERATION 1.09 g (avg) 1.00 g (avg) 1.07 g (avg) MT FIGURE EIGHT 23.2 sec @ 0.95 g (avg) 23.5 sec @ 0.90 g (avg) 22.9 sec @ 0.95 g (avg) 2.42-MI ROAD COURSE LAP 88.12 sec 90.48 sec 87.81 sec TOP-GEAR REVS @ 60 MPH 1,700 rpm 2,200 rpm 1,650 rpm CONSUMER INFO BASE PRICE $130,825 $103,365 $183,695 PRICE AS TESTED $154,420 $104,660 $187,430 STABILITY/TRACTION CONTROL Yes/Yes Yes/Yes Yes/yes AIRBAGS Dual front, side, head, and knee Dual front, front side, front curtain Dual front, front side, front curtain, front knee BASIC WARRANTY 4 yrs/50,000 miles 3 yrs/36,000 mi 4 yrs/50,000 miles POWERTRAIN WARRANTY 4 yrs/50,000 miles 5 yrs/60,000 mi 4 yrs/50,000 miles ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE Unlimited 3 yrs/36,000 mi 4 yrs/50,000 miles FUEL CAPACITY 19.8 gal 19.5 gal 18.0 gal EPA CITY/HWY/COMB ECON 16/22/18 mpg 16/22/19 mpg 17/24/20 mpg ENERGY CONS., CITY/HWY 211/153 kW-hrs/100 miles 211/153 kW-hrs/100 miles 198/140 kW-hrs/100 miles CO2 EMISSIONS, COMB 1.06 lb/mile 1.06 lb/mile 0.99 lb/mile RECOMMENDED FUEL Unleaded premium Unleaded premium Unleaded premium
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07-21-2015, 07:57 PM #2Member
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What AMG has done with the GT S is truly amazing, I am so blown away by the numbers this car puts out. And its gorgeous.
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07-21-2015, 07:58 PM #3
It's reasonably priced too and higher performance variants are coming.
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When the Black Series drops watch the fck out. These things are going to be a force to be reckoned with.
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That's honestly what blows my mind the most after driving it lol Its so sharp, balanced, responsive etc in GT-S trim that when they really take off the gloves with the black series its going to be epic. Such an upgrade from the SLS that was mer sometimes dynamically and look at the difference the Black Series upgrade made to that car.
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I love the AMG GT S but can't help but wonder how different the results would be if the Turbo & GTR had tires more comparable to those cup 2's. I road around in a supercharged e92 M3 last night that had those tires and they're no joke!
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07-23-2015, 01:02 PM #11Current: Audi R8 V10 LMX (2015), S-Tronic, matte grey, Capristo exhaust, remap by BR Performance
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07-29-2015, 09:23 AM #12
I got to flog the piss out of the GT-S at the Thermal Club last winter, and I can't imagine a more balanced, precise, manageable track weapon out of the box. I said it then that this was more a competitor to the 991 Turbo - not sure why all the mags and talk was about it competing with the non-turbo models. It's crazy to think about what the BS version of this will be like.
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